Comments on: Exxon’s Corruption of the Classroom http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/ Oil Change International campaigns to expose the true costs of fossil fuels and facilitate the coming transition towards clean energy. We are dedicated to identifying and overcoming barriers to that transition. Sun, 20 May 2012 12:28:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alison http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-1440845 Alison Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:05:02 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-1440845 LOL @ second comment LOL @ second comment

]]> By: Bob Fisher http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-6297 Bob Fisher Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:26:00 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-6297 Whether you dislike Imhof or not really is not material. I'm sure his staff probably put his speech together for him or at the very least researched the material for him. The last reponse does not address the speech by Imhof but attacks him and oil companies. You suggest Imhof is a terrible person, he may very well be,I don't know him and I don't care to judge him. But your comments do not address his speech or any of the material it contains. Whether you dislike Imhof or not really is not material. I’m sure his staff probably put his speech together for him or at the very least researched the material for him. The last reponse does not address the speech by Imhof but attacks him and oil companies. You suggest Imhof is a terrible person, he may very well be,I don’t know him and I don’t care to judge him. But your comments do not address his speech or any of the material it contains.

]]> By: Jeff Seaberg http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-6208 Jeff Seaberg Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:48:13 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-6208 In response to the last post, it is interesting to note a little background information on Senator Inhofe. Some quotes from wiki: "Inhofe is one of the most politically conservative members of either house of Congress; among other political stances, he strongly opposes abortion and gay rights." "In 2006, Inhofe was one of only nine senators to vote against Senator John McCain's amendment to the 2006 appropriations bill banning torture on individuals in U.S. Government custody." "In a 2006 interview with the Tulsa World newspaper, Inhofe compared environmentalists to Nazis. He said, "It kind of reminds... I could use the Third Reich, the Big Lie... You say something over and over and over and over again, and people will believe it, and that's their [the environmentalists'] strategy..." That's a nice view for a US senator to have. So anyone that has an opposing view, oh you know what, that reminds me... Nazi Germany. Right. And finally... "Only Texas senator John Cornyn received more campaign donations from the oil and gas industry in the 2004 election cycle. The contributions Inhofe has received from the energy and natural resource sector since taking office have exceeded one million dollars." Here is 2004: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00005582&cycle=2004 The fact that people with conflicting views can come together and rationally debate a course of action is a cornerstone of democracy. What bothers me is ignorance. The vast majority of leading scientists in the field agree that global warming is increasingly a concern. It is not happening tomorrow but scientific data suggests that things are changing at an alarming rate. It is a problem that should be addressed. If we have anything to do with global warming, we owe it to ourselves and our environment to investigate a change of course. The only ones to benefit by not acknowledging a problem are the energy companies. The sky is not falling but the ozone IS being depleted. http://www.epa.gov/ozone/ In response to the last post, it is interesting to note a little background information on Senator Inhofe. Some quotes from wiki:

“Inhofe is one of the most politically conservative members of either house of Congress; among other political stances, he strongly opposes abortion and gay rights.”

“In 2006, Inhofe was one of only nine senators to vote against Senator John McCain’s amendment to the 2006 appropriations bill banning torture on individuals in U.S. Government custody.”

“In a 2006 interview with the Tulsa World newspaper, Inhofe compared environmentalists to Nazis. He said, “It kind of reminds… I could use the Third Reich, the Big Lie… You say something over and over and over and over again, and people will believe it, and that’s their [the environmentalists'] strategy…”

That’s a nice view for a US senator to have. So anyone that has an opposing view, oh you know what, that reminds me… Nazi Germany. Right.

And finally…

“Only Texas senator John Cornyn received more campaign donations from the oil and gas industry in the 2004 election cycle. The contributions Inhofe has received from the energy and natural resource sector since taking office have exceeded one million dollars.”

Here is 2004:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00005582&cycle=2004

The fact that people with conflicting views can come together and rationally debate a course of action is a cornerstone of democracy. What bothers me is ignorance. The vast majority of leading scientists in the field agree that global warming is increasingly a concern. It is not happening tomorrow but scientific data suggests that things are changing at an alarming rate. It is a problem that should be addressed.

If we have anything to do with global warming, we owe it to ourselves and our environment to investigate a change of course. The only ones to benefit by not acknowledging a problem are the energy companies.

The sky is not falling but the ozone IS being depleted.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/

]]> By: Bob Fisher http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5986 Bob Fisher Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:21:58 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5986 Senator Imhofs speech can be found at http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759 It is worth reading. Senator Imhofs speech can be found at http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759 It is worth reading.

]]> By: Bob Fisher http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5985 Bob Fisher Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:13:25 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5985 s s

]]> By: Bob Fisher http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5938 Bob Fisher Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:18:13 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5938 To at least appreciate that another view might have validity I would suggest the following two references: 1. Senate floor speech of September 25,2006 by Senator James Imhof, Chairman Senate Enviornment and Public Works Committee 2. The book TRASHING THE PLANET by Dixie Lee Ray The speech by Sen. Imhof are the observations by a "witness". His memory is a tad longer than some. Dixie Lee Ray was an early critic of some of the junk science used to 'prove' global warming. The Atlantic Conveyor Belt hypothesis needs further work but is troubling. It would be nice if everyone could cool down a bit. Right now it sounds too much like "chicken little"; really guys and girls the sky is not falling and the oceans are not going to rise 300 feet. To at least appreciate that another view might have validity I would suggest the following two references:
1. Senate floor speech of September 25,2006 by
Senator James Imhof, Chairman Senate Enviornment
and Public Works Committee
2. The book TRASHING THE PLANET by Dixie Lee Ray

The speech by Sen. Imhof are the observations by a “witness”. His memory is a tad longer than some. Dixie Lee Ray was an early critic of some of the junk science used to ‘prove’ global warming.

The Atlantic Conveyor Belt hypothesis needs further work but is troubling. It would be nice if everyone could cool down a bit. Right now it sounds too much like “chicken little”; really guys and girls the sky is not falling and the oceans are not going to rise 300 feet.

]]> By: Denise Senmartin http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5828 Denise Senmartin Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:16:27 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5828 I am not a scientist but think that the main lesson of the movie is that it is time to translate the discussion for non scientists, make the climate change question accessible and wake up the interest of the worldwide population. That is the only way we can make changes happen for good. Opening up the discussion to scientific-related issues for all people is already a great achievement, and I respect Al Gore for that, despite the (inevitable?) political connotations of the movie. In response to the first comment posted in this page: kids are exposed to many other positions. So, why are teachers so afraid of giving children and youth the opportunity to open their eyes to the big issues of their generation? to get them interested in the impacts of science at the global level and get involved in the discussion-and solutions? Obviusly there must be some other reasons than just science teaching. I am not a scientist but think that the main lesson of the movie is that it is time to translate the discussion for non scientists, make the climate change question accessible and wake up the interest of the worldwide population. That is the only way we can make changes happen for good. Opening up the discussion to scientific-related issues for all people is already a great achievement, and I respect Al Gore for that, despite the (inevitable?) political connotations of the movie.
In response to the first comment posted in this page: kids are exposed to many other positions. So, why are teachers so afraid of giving children and youth the opportunity to open their eyes to the big issues of their generation? to get them interested in the impacts of science at the global level and get involved in the discussion-and solutions? Obviusly there must be some other reasons than just science teaching.

]]> By: John Ford http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5823 John Ford Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:14:10 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5823 Is it not true that even evangelicals in the USA recognize the undeniable fact that global warming is like a meteorite coming towards Earth, if we pretend it isn't there - its impact will be same. Recognize the truth and it will set us free. Act now and our children can live on our Earth without fear. Act later and even if 10% of scientists have got the stats right, as in 'An Inconvenient Truth' and hundreds of scientific independent testimonies - our children will pay the price. Let's not just pray together, let's take action! I am off-setting my personal CO2, I suggest companies, churches, friends and family do the same. Just 'Google' - 'offset my CO2' John Ford Is it not true that even evangelicals in the USA recognize the undeniable fact that global warming is like a meteorite coming towards Earth, if we pretend it isn’t there – its impact will be same.

Recognize the truth and it will set us free.

Act now and our children can live on our Earth without fear.

Act later and even if 10% of scientists have got the stats right, as in ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ and hundreds of scientific independent testimonies – our children will pay the price.

Let’s not just pray together, let’s take action! I am off-setting my personal CO2, I suggest companies, churches, friends and family do the same.

Just ‘Google’ – ‘offset my CO2′

John Ford

]]> By: Dan Burke http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5803 Dan Burke Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:46:26 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5803 As reported earlier this year by the Guardian "The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken money from the company or work closely with those that have. These organisations take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action to prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global economy for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike are labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled "sound science"." Any of these words sound familiar from the comments above? As reported earlier this year by the Guardian
“The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company’s official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken money from the company or work closely with those that have. These organisations take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action to prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global economy for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike are labelled “junk science”. The findings they welcome are labelled “sound science”.”

Any of these words sound familiar from the comments above?

]]> By: David Rogers http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5725 David Rogers Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:01:10 +0000 http://priceofoil.org/2006/11/28/exxons-corruption-of-the-classroom/#comment-5725 I have two engineers in my family who work for "XOM" and I'm sure they would share the bias of Mr. Moorman. And I don't remember the movie aserting that oceans would rise anything like 300 feet; it was more a matter of inches, I recall. What I do remember is an emphasis on the potential collapse of the ocean's currents' thermo "conveyor belt" and the dire consequences of another Ice Age from continued melting of the Ice Caps. I feel compelled now to see the movie again and to finally sell my stock in "XOM" because they are part of the problem and not even flirting with a solution. By the way, "XOM" is the stock market symbol for Exxon which also suggests another bias on Mr. Moorman's part. I would not be surprised if he were an employee of that company. Exxon is getting what it pays money for (besides tax and PR advantages) by the NSTA's 'prior restraint' of letting classroom teachers even receive the offering of free material they could present just about anyway they chose (or not). I sure wish we'd had more films in my school's science courses; especially any as well presented as is Mr. Gore's. I have two engineers in my family who work for “XOM” and I’m sure they would share the bias of Mr. Moorman. And I don’t remember the movie aserting that oceans would rise anything like 300 feet; it was more a matter of inches, I recall.
What I do remember is an emphasis on the potential collapse of the ocean’s currents’ thermo “conveyor belt” and the dire consequences of another Ice Age from continued melting of the Ice Caps.
I feel compelled now to see the movie again and to finally sell my stock in “XOM” because they are part of the problem and not even flirting with a solution. By the way, “XOM” is the stock market symbol for Exxon which also suggests another bias on Mr. Moorman’s part. I would not be surprised if he were an employee of that company.
Exxon is getting what it pays money for (besides tax and PR advantages) by the NSTA’s ‘prior restraint’ of letting classroom teachers even receive the offering of free material they could present just about anyway they chose (or not).
I sure wish we’d had more films in my school’s science courses; especially any as well presented as is Mr. Gore’s.

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